David Tait – An Interview (In conjunction with LIPPfest)

David Tait was born in 1985 and grew up in Lancaster.
His poems have appeared in The Guardian, Magma, The North, The Rialto and Stand.
His poem  ‘North York Moor’ was short-listed for the 2009 Bridport Prize.
His pamphlet Love’s Loose Ends was a winner of the Poetry Business competition, 2010/2011.
He is currently ‘House Poet’ at Manchester Royal Exchange for the Carol Ann Duffy & Friends Poetry Series.
He is a founder of the Leeds Independent Presses Poetry Festival (LIPPfest)

I have known David since the beginning of his journey through poetry and thought LIPPfest would give me the opportunity to ask him some questions I have not asked him before.

Enjoy, he has some interesting things to say


1.  Why Poetry? In other words, what is it about poetry that makes you want to read and write it?


I think it comes down to Poetry being the best artistic form for me to express whatever feelings have caused tension and have made me want to express them. I can’t paint, my drawings are heinous and I don’t really have much time for ceramics (I hate the feeling of clay) or Sculpture (My housemate assembles all flatpack furniture I ever buy). Any one who knows me will probably know that my personality is very much formed by the way I hear things gelling together. I love wordplay, I love stories, I love the way in which people tell stories and I’m terrible at food shopping, always coming back with ingredients that rhyme or are alliterative (‘kit kats and bourbon biscuits for tea!’). In all seriousness though, I think it comes down to a way of hearing words, ordering them, playing with rhythm, tapping into a voice which is almost a conduit of your own voice, and then writing it down, and then clipping it back. Poetry needs to be shared and talked about – reading is very different to writing and I think I actually prefer reading for the most part. I spend too much money on new books and not enough money on notepads. To write well you must read well. If you don’t read well your poetry will be extraordinarily dull, and lots of contemporary poetry (even published by good publishing houses) is exceptionally dull.       



2. It seems to me that all your best poems, as well as being good poems, also tell me a story. How important is story to you when you are writing a poem?


I think narrative is the best way for exploring an idea. So, if something has caused a tension in you, you want to try to explain that feeling and the most concrete way to do this is through a story. Philosophers have been doing this for centuries (i.e. allegory of the cave) and it’s the very foundation of all literature. What is Moby Dick other than an exploration of the lengths people will go to for revenge? I think the problem is that some ideas are more popular others and some modes of telling these stories are more popular than others and that can upset a lot of people who feel disenfranchised by an “establishment” that perpetuates its own, often middle of the road ideas.


On the other hand, I’m aware that stories will only get you so far. Some of the poems I’ve written are actually an exercise in style and wordplay rather than the subject matter itself. One such poem was purely written to try and rhyme the words “vermillion” and “reptilian” together and the story came out of that. I guess I think narrative is something that people relate to and thus I think they are more likely to read. However, it also highlights the failure of poetry in that it is making vast concessions towards narrative, autobiography and the novel. Many collections now are collections of poems exploring a theme with a theme pulling everything together like the egg in a cake. In some ways it is a shame that we are so reliant on narrative.  



3. When asked about the content of her poems Sharon Olds responded “I never said that they were auto-biographical”. You often make use of yourself in your poems. Is this something which matters to you?


Haha, I like that quote by Sharon Olds, but I do think that all poems have to have some emotional truth within them to work, even if that truth is not “what happened”. So when Sharon Olds is writing a poem I think a lot of it is in some way emotionally autobiographical (in that, she has had those thoughts and feelings) and that is what makes them work. She’s an extremely introspective writer and really mines out with acid what is causing her tension. So, running through an airport to reach her dying father may not be true, but who hasn’t had moments of wondering how that might feel?


I guess I use myself as a subject matter sometimes in order to play around with those versions of the truth. The worst poems in my opinion are poems that have no emotional truth or heart to them. Poems that have been written for an audience or to indicate that the writer “really cares” about an issue that they would like to be seen to care about. There was one recently that made the Saturday poem of the day by the poet Leonita Flynn. Here is a link to it: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/aug/05/leontia-flynn-saturday-poem


Now, what I particularly hate about this poem is its tone, its casual way of saying “i was poor once for a while and want to show that i care about these poor people who have a wank for a release from their sad little lives.” It has a catchy title, it has a winning image (the hula hoop over the rooftops) and it has a clear beginning middle and end. But one thing is for sure, I don’t believe a word of it – it’s a heartless poem that needs no-one.




4. Why LIPPfest? In other words, what drove you to take on this enormous commitment?


I think the best way to do this is to highlight some books by independent publishers that I think are incredible. These publishers need to exist because of the sheer quality of what they contribute culturally to poetry and in order for them to exist new ways need to be found to sell new books and find new readerships. LIPPFest is an exercise in this – we’re bringing 25 of the best independently published poets to Leeds for a day of poetry and we hope by doing so to encourage people to buy books, broaden their literary horizons and to support the amazing work that organisations like Lancaster Litfest and Inpress do to promote independent presses. Here are just a few of the publishers I like and some books i’d recommend reading!


Arc Publishing: Thomas Lux – The Street of Clocks, Patrick Lane – Syllable of Stone, Valerie Rouzeau – Cold Spring in Winter, Marceljius Martinaitis – The Ballads of Kukutis

Carcanet: Kei Miller – There is an Anger that moves, Carola Luther – Walking the Animals, Toon Tellegen – Raptors, John Whale – Waterloo Teeth, Marilyn Hacker – Essays on Departure, Fiona Sampson – Common Prayer

Egg Box Publishing – Vahni Capildeo – Undraining Sea, Agnes Lehoczky – Budapest to Babel.

Red Squirrel Press: Andrew Mcmillan – The Moon is a Supporting Player, Claire Askew – The Mermaid and the Sailors

Smith/Doorstop: Ed Reiss – Your Sort, Allison McVety – The Night Trotsky Came to Stay, Nina Boyd – Dear Mr Asquith, Catherine Smith – Lip, Paul Bentley – Largo

Waterloo Press: Sarah Hymas – Host, Ian Parks – An Exiles House (forthcoming)



To see some of these poets perform, and to keep in touch with developments at LIPPFest – take a look at www.lippfest.co.uk




28 Responses to “David Tait – An Interview (In conjunction with LIPPfest)”

  1. Hi David,

    what a nice idea to interview this other David. Interesting to read what he thinks of poetry. A poet can get away with truth being bend, as long as it is emotionally true. Sometimes I think a poet might want to add the word “fiction” somewhere, to prevent readers to think the act really happend lol.

    You did a great job asking the right questions. The LIpp fest is a wonderful initiative, (I would have loved to have taken part in the competition, pity we can’t use checks or stuff like that to pay the fee in the mail here. )

    I don’t understand though why David Tait lashed out at Leonita Flynns poem like that, as I read it quite differently, the students (they were young) learning about porn. ? I thought it was very realistic and humorous, not heartless at all? What did I miss?
    Maybe a poem is what you read it nd it is different for everyone.

    A big hug and wishing you a good Sunday

    With love

    • “Maybe a poem is what you read in it and it is different for everyone,” I meant 🙂

    • Thank you Ina,

      I agree totally with both you and David – a poem has to be emotionally true!! 🙂

      Perhaps I will ask David to respond to your other question 🙂

      Wishing you a good Sunday too.

      With hugs and love


      • It would be nice, thanks 🙂 I do hope I am not being difficult or anything. I am going to re- read to see if I can understand what he meant now.
        “i was poor once for a while and want to show that i care about these poor people who have a wank for a release from their sad little lives.”
        I just don’t see it but I am a beginner in poetry. Do you see it?

        Are you going to do more interviews? It is very educational 🙂

      • I do tend to agree with David Tait on that particular poem – it does not seem to have a soul.

        If you look up on the web a poem by Paul Durcan called ‘Golden Mothers Driving West” This is probably my favourite poem ever – The actual facts of the poem may not be true, although they could be, but the emotional core of the poem (a wonderful tribute to his mother) is certainly true.
        Let me know what you think.


  2. This was a really good interview David.

    I enjoyed reading David Tait’s answers.

    The more I learn about poetry the more complicated it can seem!

    Lots of love



  3. Hi David,
    we seem to differ a lot in this matter. I do hope you won’t be offended. If I can be honest, like mr Tait was, I suppose I can say this and you won’t take my different view (and that of a beginner) personally I trust:

    I read that poem now by Paul Durcan.

    ‘Mummy’ is a word used by small kids, and it doesn’t work one bit for me if grown ups use it, or other stuff that is for children btw, the sentimental-ness in the end makes me not like the poem (or story rather) .

    Maybe it can happen, a woman with Alzheimer killed herself recently here too. If it is not true, it is a lie about his mother btw so I think it has to be true. I had a mother, mama (not a mummy, that is rather derogatory? ) with Alzheimers, I even wrote a poem about it, but I can’t relate one bit to this poem. You could say, for me this one has no heart, as it sounded ‘false’ to me.

    The poem by Leonita has more reality to me, even though I was never happy if I had porn in the mail myself. I understood the imagery of the hoola hoop, it worked for me. It was not sentimental of course, but it did give some insight in the way (modern?) students live and their boredom at times. That is what I got from it.

    I am reading poetry and realizing I can’t like or understand all, I don’t have to. There is a lot of hiddeous poetry with narcism and self love that I skip straight away, and I am still learning what it is that I do like, apart from intention and honesty, flow and originality.
    I suppose it is quality. Of course Paul Durcan is a very good poet, I have read others by him that I did like, but I forgot the titles.

    Now this is not a verdict about that poem, but what I read into it. I am trying to understand what is good and what not, maybe there is no such thing as bad poetry at all. One day I will get your point about the Golden Mothers I hope, as I do want to appreciate good poetry!

    Love and greatfullness for your help 🙂

    • One of the tings I like about good poetry Ina is that it is open to a wide variety of interpretations.

      A poem means what it says to the reader and that is not neceessarily what the writer originally intended.

      Thus you and I can have radically different opinions on the same poem and both be right!!! 🙂

      That you regard yourself as a beginner in no way diminishes the value of your opinion. When I read this poem at a recent Writers’ Circle meeting there were some there who did not like it for very similar reasons to yourself!!

      I do agree totally with your thoughts on reading poetry. I still am not quite clear on what it is I am looking for other than if a poem makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand up I know it is a good poem!! 🙂
      I am aware too that my reaction to a poem may well be something to do with my own state of mind – when I first read Sharon Olds her poems spoke to me directly – these days they have less of an impact (the poems have not changed but I have!!!) So my conclusion from that is that reading poetry is an emotional experience – I am looking for poems which touch me in an emotional sense – make me smile, make me laugh, make me cry, make me angry and so on.

      I do know also that when I am writing poetry intention and honesty must be present or I am deluding myself!!

      Much Love

      • Hi David,

        (I decided not to get discouraged lol. )

        If you have a chance to ask, I would love to know if David Tait has more of Flynns poems he hates, or is it just this one? Which of hers does he like if any?

        I hope you continue our discussion, as I would like to know more about the difference in what is and what is not good poetry (I see my intuition probably is not to be trusted too much, but then again Leonita Flynn seems to be a well known writer and that poem wan prices so I learn I am not alone in thinking it was good) 🙂

        The hairs on the back of your neck is a good test lol, They should rise. 🙂 Does that happen a lot? 🙂

        I know we shouldn’t get confessions out of poems 🙂 but after reading a few hundred of online bloggers in all sorts of quality levels, some really great, I am yearning to read poets that give solid poetry. I am hungry for good food, so to say. Blogging (like I do) is great, and it is nice to have found a way to make my poems known to others ( and read others), but that doesn’t mean they are okay per definition. Self editing is not easy in this vanity experience called poetry :). I am trying to write what I want to think. Until someone says differently, it is just something I wrote, not real poetry! That is why talented passionate people as yourself are so important, to give honest views, so others can learn and improve.

        The poets I am trying to read now, have copy rights that makes it difficult to read them online at times, but I did find some on the site Poem Hunter, where there are not just established poets (if that is a word) but everyone can publish for free. I put some poems there too and got some very encouraging mails. I think it is a good way of learning one’s way in the world of poems.

        The English language is one where poetry has a profound place in, and a great tradition, much more than the Dutch language. So much to learn! 🙂

        This poetry circle you have over there is such an important achievement; to live in a culture where poetry is all grown up, a privilage! 🙂

        I love to know your thoughts on this. Have a good day.
        with love

      • Hi ina,

        I am catching up – one response to a number of your comments 🙂

        First – I do think that for a poem to work for me it has to have an emotional truth. If I can equate this in a way to my recovery from alcoholism – the people who could help me most were those who had been there, done that – there was a truth in what they said because they understood wher I was coming from. Similarly with poetry, I do not think we should be pretending. There is a lot of poetry on the web of this type I have found so over time I have filtered those poets out – I do not read them any more!!! I have more time for ‘bad poetry’ with emotional truth than ‘good poetry’ with no truth. When I was working in the drug rehab and encouraging the young people there to write poetry I got a lot of very powerful poetry from people who were close to illiterate – the power was in the truth!!!
        I do think that we write poetry mainly for ourselves and for our own benefit – if we are writing it for any other reason then we are probably deluding ourselves!!!

        Your poetry works for me because I always sense the truth behind it.

        So please no more talk of “this vanity experience called poetry” – For me it is never that!!! Sure I am delighted when other people get something from my poetry – but that is a bonus, not a reason for doing it!! 🙂

        As for reading poetry, did you ever buy ‘Staying Alive’? A lot of quality poets in there. A lot of quality poetry too 🙂

        With love

  4. 🙂 Glad you say this, I was a bit worried.

    Poetry is a state of mind I think. You have to be ‘in’ it, or you don’t like it at all. It is very easy not to like poems, I found that out too. When you are not feeling chipper, the words that you read, can be just another burden.

    I wonder if it would work if a writer wrote a poem, thinking of the effect it would have on readers, in stead of what he really wanted to say from his heart in words of his choice. My guess is it would not work at all, as the scam would shine through, l but I don’t know.

    So far, the poems and poets I like the best are those with original thoughts. Phillip Larkin for instance, he had one where he saw himself take off in a car, of course you know that one? 🙂 And there are so very many poets I have never even heard about, so I will be in for lots of surprises I hope 🙂 My only little fear is that I will find out someone else wrote the same as I did, only much better lol.

    I am relieved there were others in the circle that thought like I did about that poem, I could well have been very mistaken of course.

    🙂 I will be out of your hair now, sorry to flurry so much, but it is great to talk about this. Have a great day!

    Much love and thanks!

  5. Hi David,

    You did a great job with this interview. I really liked David responses. There are many areas where I am in agreement and places where it made me ask questions of my own.

    I’m quite stubborn as you probably know well. 🙂 I certainly agree with his comments on the need for a poem to have an emotional truth to it.
    For me the emotional trumps all. Even in a wordplay. If there is no heart, if it doesn’t move you it’s very unlikely to move another.

    Thankyou for sharing this interview. It has given me some pause for thought, especially what constitues dull. How can I know! *lol*

    I know the publishing houses and companies here in Australia don’t like the length of my poems. Tedious was the word used, which is a form of dullness…it drags and makes one impatient.
    I’ve been rejected from everyone who publishes poetry *LOL* I’m not sure if that’s something to proud of, more than anything it makes me dispondent and tending to agree with a commetor who years ago suggested I get a new hobby. Then again a few people have told me not to change a thing.
    All I know is I can only do what I do and hope the path of self publishing will prove more fruitful at least for my wounded ego. 😀

    As for what makes a good poem or what makes it good. I’m inclinded to agree there’s a lot out there that isn’t good, but then it’s all subjective really. It depends on peoples intrests and what they’re even looking for when they go to read poetry. Hmmm…..

    As I said it gave me a lot of pause for thought. 🙂

    Ohhh I’m all vexed now *lol* I will try though not to think too much. 🙂

    I hope you are having a most lovely start to your week.


    • Hi Tikarma,

      What do publishers know???? Bah Humbug!!!! I have never, ever, found your poems to be dull – they always have an emotional truth to them – sometimes raw, sometimes heart-rending, sometimes tenderly moving and sometimes, like your latest, full of joy. 🙂

      I am never sure what publishers in this country are looking for – the big ones seem to be more impressed by academic cleverness than anything else!! All the really good poets I know – people like Ian Parks and David Tait have been rejected all over the place too!! That’s why the whole LIPPfest thing came about – it is the small independent publishers in this country who are keeping poetry alive.

      It is why too that I am on the internet – there are people who want to read my poetry, as there are people who want to read your poetry. So please, no despondency and no giving up on poetry!! Use that stubborn streak of yours to keep on writing 🙂

      Having said that I was delighted to have this opportunity to interview David. He and I, and others, have spent hours and hours discussing poetry and our different views on it – I love the whole process involved in that. Comments like yours and Ina’s make me realise how much pleasure others get in these sort of discussions.

      And if you ever self-publish put me at the top of the list for a copy please 🙂

      So no more “vexed” and for goodness sake no more “thinking too much” – that is never a good thing 🙂

      I know you are busy so thank you for this comment.

      I hope spring is continuing to blossom for you 🙂


  6. Hi David,

    I agree with you, this was a wonderful opportunity and you certainly asked all the right questions!

    We have few independant publishers here (that I can find) and they are rather fussy. Their focus is bush poetry, Australiana, or poetry no more than 25 lines! EEP!

    The major publishers stop you before they begin “We do not accept poetry manuscripts, as the market for poetry is economically unviable.” Thanks…*lol*
    You really need to be an already published novelist or celelbrity to get your poetry published by major publishers in this country.

    There is one independant publisher though I’m looking into, it’s expensive but a dream is a dream right!? 🙂

    Never fear I’m far too stubborn/determined 🙂 to let let dispondency get in the way for too long. 🙂
    The road of self publishing is proving to be a long one and expensive but I will get there!

    My vexing is just that unaswerable question I think, on what is a good poem, what makes good poetry and how do you become a good poet. Is there such a thing!?
    It’s so subjective. It is though very fascinating and enlightening to read what others think on the subject and how they feel about poetry as a whole.

    As Christine said, the more you learn about poetry the more complicated it seems! *lol* 🙂 It’s all good though and as per request I have indeed not been thinking too much *cheeky grin*. We really don’t need me doing that. *LOL*.

    Thankyou for your kind words of validation ((BIG hug)). Being in a country that doesn’t highly value literature or the arts for that matter is very frustrating sometimes.

    I hope you are enjoying the Autumn weather. 🙂 I’m enjoying the luxuary of being able to work outdoos in the sunshine. 🙂 and I’m off and away!! 🙂

    Take good care.

    • Hi Tikarma,

      The self-publishing route does not have to be expensive!!!

      There are publishers who will charge you a lot of money for doing it for you. Do not trust them – they are rip-off merchants!!

      If you are prepared to do all the work – lay out the pages, put in page numbers, design the layout, design the front and back covers and so on(and I know you can do all that) then there are other routes.

      There are people who will do Print-On-Demand publishing who will charge a set-up fee(perhaps) then only charge per page to print it. They all do a good job as far as I can see.

      Sometimes they are difficult to find but they are there. In fact my ‘Barney The Parrot’ booklet was done by a local print shop and cost me only about £1.00 per book – and they did a really good job on that 🙂

      If you want to explore this separately with me then send me a separate e-mail and we can discuss it further. I would hate to think you might be getting ripped off. 🙂

      I am enjoying the Autumn weather – the opportunity to enjoy my morning tea on my balcony is a real pleasure 🙂
      You enjoy your sunshine too 🙂


      I am enjoying

  7. That would be prizes, not prices, maybe?

  8. lol I can’t find the reply -to -the -comment button 🙂 This one will land somewhere I don’t know.

    Poetry as a therapy is fantastic, and poetry written from live experiences will appeal to people who went through the same and helping to cope difficulties in life, I understand that from what you are saying. I suppose there are good and bad ways of poetry there too! I read poems that were probably honest all right but I thought ugly because of the forced rhyme and bad flow. But the intention and the emotions were real. Difficult to say, is that a good poem then? Not for me to say lol, I am not an expert!

    What matters most?

    You don’t think it is vanity? I am not sure. 🙂 Maybe not for you then. You are the nice exception 🙂 It is not flattering to see our poems being liked, why go through the trouble of publishing if that is not a reason also… Even Charles Bukovsky got a kick out of being liked lol.
    I think a lot of what we read online, including my own stuff, is written also because we enjoy the feed back and praise? 🙂 Is only good, good stimulation! For the ego and our art. It is not the only reason of course!

    “Writing for our own benefit” I think you are right. We can’t just write for others, not with poetry. Maybe that is what makes the difference with fiction.

    When my novels first got published, I also liked the fact I was now an official writer that got payed. Vanity for sure ? Next to the relief I had an income, but after 2 novels, it became normal and I realized I was not that special lol. My honesty, if you want, makes I can’t ignore that aspect, the one of vanity. But it is only one aspect that is getting emphasized now. Writing poetry is also a way of seeing things differently, learning about life and language? Maybe that is what makes writing so wholesome. And you don’t need an education to be able to organize your mind in poetry! You did such a great job there with those people!

    I am a little surprised about your idea’s of publishers! When you suggested to have some of my sea poems published, I thought you meant seeking a publisher. Self publishing I always thought just costs money, and it hardly ever gives profit. (If making money in stead of paying, is an aspect) . I once had a book published that way, (De Berlijnse Badgast, 1997 published by De Adelaar) with stories that had won prizes in contests and others, my father’s gift was the money it costs. I can tell you it is not worth it. Publishers have the know how and their editors can tell you what is wrong or right about our work. I think? But how to find a publisher? I think in America they work with agents. But maybe you know about the English market better than me.

    🙂 Thanks for your reply. I learnd a lot today. I was starting to think I should shut up. I am never sure if I am not outstaying your welcome or not and making long comments is not always appreciated by bloggers, I know.
    About that book: I have tried, but my Amazon account needed a new password, it was complicated, my patience gave in lol and I forgot about it and the title. If you could tell me again the publishers name 🙂 I will try again 🙂

    Love and hugs! And thanks for your time 🙂

    • Ina, Some thoughts –

      Therapy – Poetry works as therapy in a way nothing else does and it is always therapy for ourselves!! I have often surprised myself by what I have discovered about me through my poems. When I encourage people in treatment to write poetry Their poetry will often tell me more than any other method would and I can reach them through their words. Interestingly I have also found out more about me through feedback on my poems. What matters most is honesty!!

      Vanity? The question is a good one and I am not sure I have an answer. Yes I like to be liked, yes I like to get positive feedback on my poems, yes I like to hold one of my books in my hands and know I have written it. But is that the reason I do it? I don’t think so. Over the course of my time on the Internet and in the real world I have made some very good friends through my poetry – that means more to me than any of the rest. I have over that time resisted attempts to draw me into the you-scratch-my-back-I’ll scratch-yours groups which exist on the web where the emphasis seems to be on how many comments you can accumulate. I would rather have one negative well thought out comment that shows someone has actually read my work than a whole load of flim-flam. And my greatest pleasure comes when I get a comment which indicates my words have made a difference.

      I do think there is a difference with fiction. We know in advance it is a story and therefore read it differently. And, of course fiction writers will write for an audience because they know what the audience expects. else why would they often use a pen-name when writing in a different genre. I think that really popular poets can get sucked into that – Billy Collins and Mary Oliver come to mind perhaps.
      You write novels for a living – that is a whole different ball game. Nobody writes poetry to make a living LOL

      When I suggested your sea poems were worth publishing I did have in mind that you might be able to find a publisher. Either in a magazine which specialise in that area or a publisher who does likewise – they must be around but I have no particular knowledge of them.

      Self Publishing in my opinion does have a place. and, as I said to Tikarma, it doesn’t have to be expensive. not nowadays – the publishing world has changed rapidly over the last 5 years and options exist now which did not exist then. Not only in terms of print-on-demand but also in the area of e-books, of Kindle and of downloads from the web. Yes a publisher who is interested in publishing your book for all the right reasons can offer something which is not achievable through self-publishing but there are different options. Books, after all have been published on the web and then, because of their popularity, been picked up by big print publishers (I would quote examples but I can’t remember DUH! 🙂 )

      I have done both – my first was published by a small local publisher, the followin two were self-published and the next one will be published by a publisher. I will also continue to put extracts from the second one – ‘First I Dreamt the Journey’ – here on the web in the slim hope that it might be picked up by a publisher!!! 🙂

      Now go buy that book – it is published by Bloodaxe 🙂

      Much Love

  9. Hi David,

    thank you very much for your thoughts.

    It is great to have poetry working as a way of therapy! Especially if the result is wonderful poetry.

    I don’t think poetry is always therapy, as poems are not always written to soulsearch or cope, but also just to construct an idea? That doesn’t make them less honest of course!

    I agree not many people can make a living of poetry, (I know one here in my country that does! ) and it might not be healthy too, just to write poems all the time and never have been part of society outdoors lol, as to write, one should have lived first maybe 🙂 Your job for instance was all about human suffering and deep sadness, you know all about that, not just from your own life.

    If publishers pick up poetry from the web, I hope they find their way to yours!

    I am looking forward to reading more of the journey (I thought it had ended! 🙂 )

    Much love and best wishes.


  10. I’ll let you know 🙂 I am getting curious lol.

    With much love too


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